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22 days left until we go over the so-called fiscal live, and even after president obama and speaker boehner met for the first time in over a month we still appear to be no closer to a deal. but over the weekend, for the first time both sides did seem to be softening the edges of their ideological swords. today in detroit the president continued his campaign-style push for congress to pass tax breaks for those below $250,000 and allow tax breaks for the wealthy to expire. >> a lot of people are putting forth a theory, and i actually think it has merit where you go and give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about, the rate increase on the top 2%. so there is a growing body. i actually am beginning to believe that is the best route for to us to take. >> in my view we all agree that we're not going to raise taxes on people who make less than $250,000. we should just take them out of the discussion right now. >> i think if it got to the floor it would carry. >> eliot: as the republicans begin to come around on the tax rates democrats have become open to limited entitlement reform.
22 days left until we go over the so-called fiscal live, and even after president obama and speaker boehner met for the first time in over a month we still appear to be no closer to a deal. but over the weekend, for the first time both sides did seem to be softening the edges of their ideological swords. today in detroit the president continued his campaign-style push for congress to pass tax breaks for those below $250,000 and allow tax breaks for the wealthy to expire. >> a lot of...
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do you feel sorry for john boehner who has all these circus folks with him? >> i don't. >> eliot: shocking to me. >> look, he has--he's trying to maintain his caucus, and you know at the end of the day i don't really invest too heavily about the actual persons of these politicians. the fact that you were talking about lindsey graham who pressureperceived-- >> eliot: i was setting him up to tear him down. >> the point is he's facing re-election. the republican electorate that the republicans have nurtured and grown. they have created frankenstein, i've said it before on this program, and basically they're at the mercy of these people. they created this monster and they can't put it back in the bottle. >> eliot: would you agree with sam, they are now the victims of their own creation. they cannot escape the tea party fringe who has knocked out the more merate voices of the establishment party so they're left with only the fear of the far rate. shame on them. >> i don't mean to put too fine of a point on it, the republican party of this party is demented. i wrot
do you feel sorry for john boehner who has all these circus folks with him? >> i don't. >> eliot: shocking to me. >> look, he has--he's trying to maintain his caucus, and you know at the end of the day i don't really invest too heavily about the actual persons of these politicians. the fact that you were talking about lindsey graham who pressureperceived-- >> eliot: i was setting him up to tear him down. >> the point is he's facing re-election. the republican...
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why is he flip-flopping and speaker boehner not flip-flopping. >> i think speaker boehner is flip-flopping because he doesn't control his own conference. he's subject to pressure from the far right wing of his party which doesn't care about the deficit. all they care about is shrinking the federal government so as grover norquist said, it could fit in the bathtub. they don't want social security. they don't want medicare or the government to do all of these things that they started doing the last 75 or 80 years. they want to use this as blackmail to get congress and the president to do things they would never do on the merits. >> eliot: your bill will not make it through the house given the current control of the house. last year, the white house made i think what all of us agree is an egregious tactical and strategic error in not negotiating the debt ceiling increase as part of the budget deal. will they make the same mistake this time and isn't it necessary they include the increase as part of what the speaker and the president agree to in the near term? >> the president has said he want
why is he flip-flopping and speaker boehner not flip-flopping. >> i think speaker boehner is flip-flopping because he doesn't control his own conference. he's subject to pressure from the far right wing of his party which doesn't care about the deficit. all they care about is shrinking the federal government so as grover norquist said, it could fit in the bathtub. they don't want social security. they don't want medicare or the government to do all of these things that they started doing...
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cohost jim ward imitating boehner. they are going to kill all pour people -- and then there is a whole transcript. and they beat you to a hitler reference. when the republicans don't agree with the president they want to slaughter the poor en masse, kind of like hitler. [ applause ] >> stephanie: the comments are much more precious. we have got all of the mulch we'll ever need right between stephanie miller's ears. zing. yikes. bam. nothing but comedy net there. don't confuse mulch with soggy shredded wheat. >> what? huh? >> stephanie: all right. ♪ karl ♪ >> stephanie: karl frisch bullfightstrategies.com. ♪ so inciting to me ♪ >> stephanie: karl frisch what did you do to make news busters. >> good morning, you three, you are nothing but a common coat catcher, you two. i swear to god it sounds like a 1920s movies. >> you couple of coat catchers. >> stephanie: the gop also strangles puppies, pushes old ladies off of the stairs in her wheelchair, and tangles kittens. geez. karl frisch what did you do to make news
cohost jim ward imitating boehner. they are going to kill all pour people -- and then there is a whole transcript. and they beat you to a hitler reference. when the republicans don't agree with the president they want to slaughter the poor en masse, kind of like hitler. [ applause ] >> stephanie: the comments are much more precious. we have got all of the mulch we'll ever need right between stephanie miller's ears. zing. yikes. bam. nothing but comedy net there. don't confuse mulch with...
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>> you can't take anything boehner says seriously at all. it's so win-win for the democrats on this. and i would like to see the president go off the cliff and let the republicans try to vote it down. >> stephanie: we posted a great article -- it was the best thing i have read about the l.a. times, where he said let's hold hands and walk down together. it's not that bad. all of the nobel prize winning economists asking george bush not to enact these policies in the first place. >> exactly right. this was used because bill clinton has a surplus. bush said let's give it away to rich people. where is the money? it's gone. we can't have these cuts anymore. >> stephanie: yeah. mitch mcconnell is up for reelection in 2014 rand pall not until 2016. >> yeah because mitch mcconnell would love to see rand paul gone. and they have already said they are going to open up their box of tricks against her. >> stephanie: rand paul is one of those tea party jerks that i can't wait to get rid of. and i think people forget how extreme he is. he said we had a co
>> you can't take anything boehner says seriously at all. it's so win-win for the democrats on this. and i would like to see the president go off the cliff and let the republicans try to vote it down. >> stephanie: we posted a great article -- it was the best thing i have read about the l.a. times, where he said let's hold hands and walk down together. it's not that bad. all of the nobel prize winning economists asking george bush not to enact these policies in the first place....
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. >> that's what john boehner would say. a lot of entertainers there last night, stars to entertain the crowd including jason moraz with the traditional ♪ nights and roses. ♪ come fee and cozy are we ♪ >> a little elevator music. >> that's exactly what it is. it's amazing how will big this event is. >> it's huge. >> huge lottery to get the tickets to attend it. >> it's a ticketed event. the lines spaishth are snaking all the way around the white houseapparently are snaking all the way around the white house because they have to get in there and go through security and that kind of stuff. it's a big festive night. >> at my house, zero christmas decorations. we are not even putting up a tree this year. >> not putting up a tree? >> that's right. we are leaving. we are leaving town in a couple of weeks or a week and a half before christmas. we are not going to be here for christmas. >> that's fair. >> that's fair. >> we just said, why are we going to put up a tree? we put up a fake tree, never get a real tree. and no tree,
. >> that's what john boehner would say. a lot of entertainers there last night, stars to entertain the crowd including jason moraz with the traditional ♪ nights and roses. ♪ come fee and cozy are we ♪ >> a little elevator music. >> that's exactly what it is. it's amazing how will big this event is. >> it's huge. >> huge lottery to get the tickets to attend it. >> it's a ticketed event. the lines spaishth are snaking all the way around the white...
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my comment was about boehner and mcconnell. their negotiating style is really lame and retarded. >> stephanie: oh well, that's probably not a word we should use. >> caller: they're just tired. they need to be retired. that's all. >> stephanie: yes i get it. all right. okay. not -- [ buzzer ] conservatives have no choice but to give in to white house demands. fiscal debate is to move to the main goal which is destroying the social safety net. according to several republicans yesterday on the sunday shows. there is a growing group of folks who are realizing we don't have a lot of cards. about corker. he's a cork. that one. tom cole said some of our people think we dig in and hold strong, we can stop it. that's just not the case. >> computer says yes. >> stephanie: now you're getting it. in my view, he said we all agree. we won't raise taxes on people who make less than $250,000. we should take them out of the discussion right now. yes. >> computer says yes. >> stephanie: tom coal burnson, will i accept a tax deal? >> computer say
my comment was about boehner and mcconnell. their negotiating style is really lame and retarded. >> stephanie: oh well, that's probably not a word we should use. >> caller: they're just tired. they need to be retired. that's all. >> stephanie: yes i get it. all right. okay. not -- [ buzzer ] conservatives have no choice but to give in to white house demands. fiscal debate is to move to the main goal which is destroying the social safety net. according to several republicans...
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on one side, you have establishment, john boehner and mitch mcconnell. to them, the election was lost because the conservative ideologues pulled him so right he could never find his way back in november. on the other side, jim demint, rick santorum and the industrial complex that make the same argument ideologues always make when they lose, the problem our guy wasn't ideological enough. the problem is going out in technicolor with demint bolting out to become the ceo of the conservative movement. joining me is the former head of the rnc and joy reed, managing editor of rio.com, also one of us. this is what happens when you go near the misery index, the rush limbaugh show. yesterday, jim demint, still the united states senator from south carolina and the out-going heritage foundation president dent and rush made fun of the speaker. let's listen. >> well, i think it's safe to say boehner is not forcing either of you guys out, right? >> that's pretty true. it might work a little bit the other way, rush. >> what do you make of that? it might work a little bi
on one side, you have establishment, john boehner and mitch mcconnell. to them, the election was lost because the conservative ideologues pulled him so right he could never find his way back in november. on the other side, jim demint, rick santorum and the industrial complex that make the same argument ideologues always make when they lose, the problem our guy wasn't ideological enough. the problem is going out in technicolor with demint bolting out to become the ceo of the conservative...
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let's listen. >> well, i think it's safe to say boehner is not forcing either of you guys out, right? >> that's pretty true. >> it might work a little bit the other way, rush. >> what do you make of that? it might work a little bit the other way. here is an outgoing united states senator not being very outgoing about the speaker of the house saying he might lose his job because demint is going to the heritage foundation. explain that rubik's cube. >> actually, there's no connection. that's just idle banter with rush limbaugh. the speaker is going to be back in charge. he's negotiating right now with the president. >> but why clip the speaker on the way by? >> it's sort of setting the stage for what's to come. he's going to go out, he's got a new platform, an elevated voice, if you will. he's not one of 100. he's now really representing a lot of conservative voices around the country, but the thing to be careful about here is, you know, you talked about the split within the party. that split has been there for a while. it's not just after this election. it goes back a good number of ye
let's listen. >> well, i think it's safe to say boehner is not forcing either of you guys out, right? >> that's pretty true. >> it might work a little bit the other way, rush. >> what do you make of that? it might work a little bit the other way. here is an outgoing united states senator not being very outgoing about the speaker of the house saying he might lose his job because demint is going to the heritage foundation. explain that rubik's cube. >> actually,...
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rejected boehner's deal. it's hard to see how boehner will get a different outcome this time around. eric cantor looking right over his shoulder. you could make the argument that cantor is the big player who is not in the room. because if boehner does a deal with the president and goes back and tries to get the republicans to vote for it in the house and cantor says no, where are we? the president, calm, cool and collected and remembering what this election is all about. get your cell phones out. tonight's question. the president, calm, cool and collected and remembering what this election is all about. get your cell phones out. tonight's question. will republicans punish e speaker boehner for trying to work with the president? text a for yes, b to no to 622639. we'll bring the results later on in the show. joining me tonight is congressman emanuel cleaver from missouri. great to have you with us. >> good to be with you. >> i'd like to talk about the congressional black caucus if i could. they have been very,
rejected boehner's deal. it's hard to see how boehner will get a different outcome this time around. eric cantor looking right over his shoulder. you could make the argument that cantor is the big player who is not in the room. because if boehner does a deal with the president and goes back and tries to get the republicans to vote for it in the house and cantor says no, where are we? the president, calm, cool and collected and remembering what this election is all about. get your cell phones...
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it's magic beans and ferry dust. >> john boehner's heavy-handed approach to leadership, boehner and the republican steering committee kicked four republican congressmen out of their committee seats for voting against party leadership in the past. but boehner finds himself in an increasingly weak position. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell refused to take a position on boehner's debt plan today. >> i have no particular observation other than i commend the house leadership for trying to move. the process along and getting to a point where hopefully we can have a real discussion. >> house democrats are cranking up the pressure. tim walsh of minnesota introduced a discharge petition on the middle class tax cuts in the house. if it gets 218 signatures, it would get a floor vote before the end of the month. >> this is an issue that we all agree on. >> democratic leader nancy pelosi announced a plan for the discharge petition last week. the petition keeps the focus on extending tax cuts for 98% of americans. i spoke to leader pelosi late this afternoon about the strategy and the latest de
it's magic beans and ferry dust. >> john boehner's heavy-handed approach to leadership, boehner and the republican steering committee kicked four republican congressmen out of their committee seats for voting against party leadership in the past. but boehner finds himself in an increasingly weak position. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell refused to take a position on boehner's debt plan today. >> i have no particular observation other than i commend the house leadership for...
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>> hashtags with names like fire boehner have become popular. still, where the votes get counting, boehner seems to have more room to maneuver than he did in preelection faceoffs. but it begs the question, even if the republican speaker gets a deal, can he get it passed? joining me now is tom cole of oklahoma, martha blackburn of tennessee, thank you both for joining us, and i think that's really the key question that we keep hearing. they'll get a deal -- they'll get something. but it doesn't matter if the two of them get a deal, it matters if the speaker has the house votes for it. tell me about the feeling in the caucus now for how free of a hand the speaker has. >> i think people are looking at how do we solve the system-wide problems. if you're going to talk revenues, you have to talk cuts, reform of your trust funds, medicare and social security -- >> you have 20 something days to do that. >> these are things that we have been talking about for years. the fiscal cliff is a name that the media came up with, but some of us have been saying f
>> hashtags with names like fire boehner have become popular. still, where the votes get counting, boehner seems to have more room to maneuver than he did in preelection faceoffs. but it begs the question, even if the republican speaker gets a deal, can he get it passed? joining me now is tom cole of oklahoma, martha blackburn of tennessee, thank you both for joining us, and i think that's really the key question that we keep hearing. they'll get a deal -- they'll get something. but it...
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boehner's emboldened by that support. but also you know i think they've been swashbuckling insofar as keeping the raucous members or purging them from committee chairs. >> there's definitely been a new message which is that john boehner's the boss and we're not going to deal with insubordination. if you look at that offer, people are saying it's boehner's offer. it's signed by eric cantor. >> and paul wrien. >>> and paul ryan. any leader who the rebels, shall we say, within the republican conference could have, is now aligned with wehner completely. strengths his hand. he's the sole negotiate, whatever he gets from president obama will be the rule of law. and i think what's really emboldened boehner, ironically, mitt romney's loss. it's this idea that john boehner's survived, he's the one who came through. we were able to keep the house. he does get a lot of credit for that among house republican circles, they were able to keep the house. people think -- >> he raised something like 100 million dollars. >> he's the kingmak
boehner's emboldened by that support. but also you know i think they've been swashbuckling insofar as keeping the raucous members or purging them from committee chairs. >> there's definitely been a new message which is that john boehner's the boss and we're not going to deal with insubordination. if you look at that offer, people are saying it's boehner's offer. it's signed by eric cantor. >> and paul wrien. >>> and paul ryan. any leader who the rebels, shall we say, within...
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and john boehner is getting squeezed from both sides. now on the right he's taking heat over his propoesal that would raise $800 billion in revenue closing loopholes. on the left the white house won't talk to him until he agrees to raise rates. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell didn't support speaker boehner's plan. >> i have no particular observation other than i commend the house republican leadership for trying to move the process along, and getting to a point where hopefully we can have a real discussion. >> i want to bring in "time" magazine's assistant editor and "national journal"'s chris freitz. does this come down to john boehner and what he's willing to do? >> i think what we've been seeing for the last few months, the ideological struggle within the republican party. you've seen some moderate voices stepping up saying let's make a compromise but you have a house that's intransigent. i think bainer is in charge at the end of the day but he's got to wait, marshall the forces and have people coming to him and i hope this doe
and john boehner is getting squeezed from both sides. now on the right he's taking heat over his propoesal that would raise $800 billion in revenue closing loopholes. on the left the white house won't talk to him until he agrees to raise rates. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell didn't support speaker boehner's plan. >> i have no particular observation other than i commend the house republican leadership for trying to move the process along, and getting to a point where hopefully we...
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and this is where boehner is running into trouble. do you think they'll eventually put a rate increase on the table? >> they're either going to do that or take us into a very dangerous fiscal situation over the cliff. this is a loosy in the football situation and the president says, i'm not going to kick again until you show me some serious commitment. and keep in mind, this is the republican leadership that supported the $718 billion of savings in medicare that was part of the health care provisions to extend the life of medicare, and then ran against it, as being something that was stealing money from medicare. so it's not even just a matter of putting those ideas on the table, but willing to be consistent about it. but i think what you see right now from the white house is a deadly seriousness about this balance of getting our fiscal house in order, but also making sure we make the investments in the middle class to grow, and they're looking for a partner here. they've got to have a partner who's willing to put some facts on the ta
and this is where boehner is running into trouble. do you think they'll eventually put a rate increase on the table? >> they're either going to do that or take us into a very dangerous fiscal situation over the cliff. this is a loosy in the football situation and the president says, i'm not going to kick again until you show me some serious commitment. and keep in mind, this is the republican leadership that supported the $718 billion of savings in medicare that was part of the health...
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with speaker boehner. that reflects his strength. boehner will condition to stand strong as long as he has their support. >> whatever deal he cuts, he will have 80 or 90. >> at the end of the day, yeah. if he agrees to it. that's the thing. you can imagine there will be a lot of pull from a lot of different sides on this within the condition conference. some of these guys are behind him on a lot of things and the conserfative pieces of the coalition there were not going along. there is a long way to go. >> i want to get your takes on this. michigan is losing the fight and the democrats think they will win the political war. is that all they got? you look at the history of the right to work, you never seem to be able to stop. >> it does have challenges. we are calling it right to work is a victory on the right. the michigan polls show this is a winner for people who with unions. the governors ratings are very mediocre. majority say that after they hear both sides, they are against right to work and 80% say
with speaker boehner. that reflects his strength. boehner will condition to stand strong as long as he has their support. >> whatever deal he cuts, he will have 80 or 90. >> at the end of the day, yeah. if he agrees to it. that's the thing. you can imagine there will be a lot of pull from a lot of different sides on this within the condition conference. some of these guys are behind him on a lot of things and the conserfative pieces of the coalition there were not going along. there...
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it's not john boehner's job to make this math add up. it's not john boehner's job to find ways of funding a three and a half or four trillion dollar budget. it's insane. if the democrats want to have a three and a half, four trillion dollar federal budget, fine. they can be the party of that. there ought to be a party that represents an alternative and john boehner is saying no, we'll help you close that gap. who needs the republican party? >> you think there will be an internal squabble, a fight, maybe an attempt to cede him in the end? >> i don' i don't know about th. i think there's a big choice for republicans. john boehner is basically slowly, quietly essentially offering himself as the guy who can kind of run the obama-size state more efficiently. in other words, he can provide slightly less insane arithmetic. he's come up with $800 billion of extra revenue. so what? that's half of last year's federal deficit. what's 800 billion in savings over a decade? that's irrelevant. absolutely. whatever time he spent negotiating that was a c
it's not john boehner's job to make this math add up. it's not john boehner's job to find ways of funding a three and a half or four trillion dollar budget. it's insane. if the democrats want to have a three and a half, four trillion dollar federal budget, fine. they can be the party of that. there ought to be a party that represents an alternative and john boehner is saying no, we'll help you close that gap. who needs the republican party? >> you think there will be an internal squabble,...
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maybe the democrats ought to tell john boehner, you know what? 39.6% looks pretty good right now, because after the first of the year we're going for 42%. make boehner come to the table, and make him come squealing to the table saying you can't go to 42%. oh, yes we can, because there is enough progressives in the house that would band together and say you know what? we need to go beyond, because we've got some real fiscal problems in this country. and we can go to the wealthiest americans and get a hell of a lot more than the old rates under bill clinton. why not go to 42%? why not go to 45% for people who make over $10 million a year? i mean, do we really want to solve this? do we really want sacrifice? or do we just want to take our toe and put it in the lake and see if it's still cold out? come on, folks. these lawmakers in washington need some pressure put on them. we need to go higher than 39.6%. we need to go to at least 42% for the wealthiest americans making over a million dollars a year and tell bain their is the way it's going to be, o
maybe the democrats ought to tell john boehner, you know what? 39.6% looks pretty good right now, because after the first of the year we're going for 42%. make boehner come to the table, and make him come squealing to the table saying you can't go to 42%. oh, yes we can, because there is enough progressives in the house that would band together and say you know what? we need to go beyond, because we've got some real fiscal problems in this country. and we can go to the wealthiest americans and...
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but boehner has been making tough calls. when it comes down to it he's going to agree to something with the president and it is not going to be able to pass his own conference. do you have any sense of what you think he's able to do and not do at this point? >> we come back again to the entitlement question. it's going to be easier for the caucus to swallow some tax rate increase if they have something to show for it. and the irony here, on a whole variety of issue, the democrats should be in favor of certain kinds of entitlement reforms. it's not actually that big of a give. on social security, as an example, democrats have won for the time being on privatization being completely off the table. there's a strong argument for trying to lock that in now as oppose eed to waiting and having that potentially come back. in addition, one of the big concerns here is doing too much fiscal austerity too soon. the more you did in the form of social security chrks can be phased in gradually over time, the lighter the load imposed in 201
but boehner has been making tough calls. when it comes down to it he's going to agree to something with the president and it is not going to be able to pass his own conference. do you have any sense of what you think he's able to do and not do at this point? >> we come back again to the entitlement question. it's going to be easier for the caucus to swallow some tax rate increase if they have something to show for it. and the irony here, on a whole variety of issue, the democrats should...
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the "new york times" reporting that house speaker john boehner wants to speak only to president obama out of public view. though we've just learned that boehner is holding a news conference at 11:00 this morning eastern time. the fight, though, still very public. vice president joe biden is meeting with a middle class family. and yesterday president obama met with a virginia family. tax hikes for the rich are nonnegotiable. >> just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is for families like this one. >> joining me now is barry, msnbc political contributor and editor for grio. hello, guys. >> perry, i'm wondering if these new unemployment numbers add to the president's leverage? >> i think they do. the big thing is the election. but the jobs numbers suggest that the economy is doing well and it cuts against the republican argument that raising taxes on the rich with would hurt the economy and the economy is fragile. the numbers though that the
the "new york times" reporting that house speaker john boehner wants to speak only to president obama out of public view. though we've just learned that boehner is holding a news conference at 11:00 this morning eastern time. the fight, though, still very public. vice president joe biden is meeting with a middle class family. and yesterday president obama met with a virginia family. tax hikes for the rich are nonnegotiable. >> just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package...
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is it's much harder to define a win for john boehner. you know, is a win, you know, holding absolutely fast? is a win saying, you know, great, we were the party that managed to cut social security for the middle class? that's going to be pretty hard to go into another election with. >> you know, do you agree with that assessment that it's easier for the president, cynthia, because he basically wins on taxes. he's the robin hood, if you will, of this issue. he's looking out for the regular people against the people on the top. on the other side he's saying, you republicans, you can be the scrooging this winter. i have to go along with it. but you're forcing me to do it so you're the bad guys. so i think i agree with kristin. this is basically a setup if there is a deal for the president. >> well, i do think that the president would certainly get a big win with the middle class tax cut piece of this which i think is going to pass, whether it passes by the first of the year is another matter, but i think he'll get that piece of it. but i th
is it's much harder to define a win for john boehner. you know, is a win, you know, holding absolutely fast? is a win saying, you know, great, we were the party that managed to cut social security for the middle class? that's going to be pretty hard to go into another election with. >> you know, do you agree with that assessment that it's easier for the president, cynthia, because he basically wins on taxes. he's the robin hood, if you will, of this issue. he's looking out for the regular...
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it to boehner and obama to make a deal. though boehner spokesman michael steele tells us this morning if we're going to solve this problem every congressional leader and more importantly the white house have all important roles to play. the fact is we've heard this same thing. and that is that pelosi and the senate leaders are not in the room at first. they'll be brought in when boehner and the white house are close. mann while, back to the debt ceiling. the new republicans' main point of leverage n. a rare misstep, mcconnell may have taken some of that leverage away in a move that ended with mcconnell filibustering himself. the president doesn't have enough democratic support, mcconnell moved to vote to permanently give the president the rate to approve the debt ceiling. reid shocked mcconnell by calling the idea of having that vote a positive development. forcing him to reject a vote he had called for himself. >> is there objection? >> reserving the right to object, matters of this controversy -- what we're talking about
it to boehner and obama to make a deal. though boehner spokesman michael steele tells us this morning if we're going to solve this problem every congressional leader and more importantly the white house have all important roles to play. the fact is we've heard this same thing. and that is that pelosi and the senate leaders are not in the room at first. they'll be brought in when boehner and the white house are close. mann while, back to the debt ceiling. the new republicans' main point of...
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they are open to it in 2011 in the boehner/obama talks. they are open to it now. what's weird about this policy is it's always presented as the height of fiscal responsibility, even though it's kind of fiscally irresponsible, which brings us to the challenge. why raising the age does not save you very much money and is probably a bad policy idea in under two minutes. do we have the clock? let's do it. the argument for cutting 65 and 67 years old out of medicare in a deficit talk is simple. it saves money. the keizer family foundation estimates that when it's all said and done, the government could save $5.7 billion in the first year of that plan. but those 65 and 66-year-olds they don't disappear. they are still going to be here and they are even going to get sick sometimes, which means the savings we'd see by kicking them off medicare rolls will pop back up in the economy. it's not pure savings, it's a cost shift. first and foremost, you're going to see increased costs for seniors who will have to find another health insurer since medicare is huge and uses its ba
they are open to it in 2011 in the boehner/obama talks. they are open to it now. what's weird about this policy is it's always presented as the height of fiscal responsibility, even though it's kind of fiscally irresponsible, which brings us to the challenge. why raising the age does not save you very much money and is probably a bad policy idea in under two minutes. do we have the clock? let's do it. the argument for cutting 65 and 67 years old out of medicare in a deficit talk is simple. it...
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president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the november jobs report numbers. they look very good, good news overall for the koirnlt tree. but speaker boehner said this, the democrats plan to slow walk our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff instead of engaging in serious talks to avert the cliff, that includes spending cuts and tax reforms the president once supported. the white house has only offered a joke. i understand we have speaker boehner to the microphones. let's take a listen. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that
president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the november jobs report numbers. they look very good, good news overall for the koirnlt tree. but speaker boehner said this, the...
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so it must come down to boehner's future. do you see more and more republicans starting to peel off in the house? will this pressure mount? >> absolutely. i think -- i think we're seeing an awful lot of republicans already folding privately. and i think that that's being reflected in the larger debate. i think we're going to see more of that. i mean, i'm very struck by -- the day after we had the sacred cows of the republican party -- i mean, there was a barbecue of the sacred cows. it was amazing. grover norquist, persona non grata. karl rove, completely unwelcomed in many corners in which he was star in the sun king. i think as people are feeling that, you're sensing that they really need to rethink in both short term and long term what kind of a republican party can they be? >> okay. donna gentile-o'donnell and michael eric dyson. professor, great to have you with us tonight. >>> there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour of "the ed show." stay tuned. >> we're not going to implement obama care in florida. >> we're
so it must come down to boehner's future. do you see more and more republicans starting to peel off in the house? will this pressure mount? >> absolutely. i think -- i think we're seeing an awful lot of republicans already folding privately. and i think that that's being reflected in the larger debate. i think we're going to see more of that. i mean, i'm very struck by -- the day after we had the sacred cows of the republican party -- i mean, there was a barbecue of the sacred cows. it...
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speaker boehner was not impressed sending over his original offer of $800 billion in revenue. by the way that was the number last summer, summer of '11. acknowledged there's a long way to go. let's listen to him. >> i remain the most optimistic person in this town, but we've got some serious differences. the president and i had a pretty frank conversation about just how far apart we are. >> and in an interview with barbara walters, the president held firm and said time is running out. >> taxes are going to go up one way or the other. and i think the key is to make sure that taxes go up on the high end individuals like you and me, barbara. we can afford it. it is entirely possible for us to come up with a deal, but time is running short. >> joining me right now is washington post columnist and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. also strategist and former mike huckabee campaign manager chip saltsman. i've always been impressed by people who have been campaign managers. not those who drove a car for somebody once. let me get you to because you're a republican. i think -- lo
speaker boehner was not impressed sending over his original offer of $800 billion in revenue. by the way that was the number last summer, summer of '11. acknowledged there's a long way to go. let's listen to him. >> i remain the most optimistic person in this town, but we've got some serious differences. the president and i had a pretty frank conversation about just how far apart we are. >> and in an interview with barbara walters, the president held firm and said time is running...